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The next non-racing challenge I am thinking of is Gang Attacks. This won't be the next challenge (that's a team time trial), it will be the one after that.

Basic idea,

  • do some gang attacks, 3 probably a good number
  • standard weapons only (no mk II versions from the Gunrunning update as not everyone will have them)
  • no explosives, no RPGs, no miniguns etc
  • maybe we could specifiy a type of weapon to use?
    • maybe different weapon for each one, e.g. one pistol, one shot gun, one rifle?
  • BPHs allowed
  • no phone callses to anyone, must not be as an MC / CEO / VIP (so all abilities they may give not allowed)
  • hand held weapons only, no using any vehicles - and to keep things simple that includes no using a vehicle to get into a good location to start with
  • video them
  • they don't all have to be in one video, so you can do each one seperately, repeat as many times as you like

 

2 possible ways to score them

  1. fastest time for specified gang attacks
    • if this option then must be done solo
    • could be timed from when the "Gang Attack" message appears at the top of the screen to when the full screen "Gang Attack Passed" appears
    • problem with timing specific ones is they only appear at certain times of the day and once attempted don't re-appear. So that could limit how many attempts you can make
  2. do any 3 (or whatever number we decide)
    • 1 point per kill
    • bonus points for headshots, point blank kills and any thing else the final score screen shows as more than just a simple kill
    • lose points if you die

I'm leaning towards option 2 as that leaves the choice of which ones to do to you. You could do easy ones with not many enemies knowing you won't get killed or take on more difficult ones to get more kills but risk dieing.

 

Comments please :)

 

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Sounds fun.  I like both options.  Either one should have a hefty penalty for dying.  Almost to the point where it is not worth it if you die.  In my opinion.

I also like the idea of a specific weapon that has to be used.  Maybe a different gun for each attack.  Would be fun trying to do it without dying with only SNS pistol! LOL.

I would also add stipulation like no vehicles allowed to assist you and no using Merrywether.  Probably obvious but should be mentioned I guess?

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36 minutes ago, djw180 said:

Comments please :)

I also like the idea of completing a Gang Attack with only a pistol. Possibly do a unique weapon for two of them and players choice for the third. 

The second option for scoring sounds better, but I could go either way. Not sure about the armour penalty. I'd rather it be all or nothing regarding snacks/armour.

 

 

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1 hour ago, djw180 said:

 

Comments please :)

 

Can it be done only counting the total time it took you to complete 3 of them including travelling between them, so time only and doing 3 in a certain order with certain weapons?  So timer starts once first gang attack starts, and ends once third attack is over? 

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More on the next Gang Attacks challenge.

I'm going for the points rather than timed option, but with a time limit and penalty points if you go over that. I've decided against a timed challenge as to do that I think I'd need to specify which gang attacks to do. There's a lot to choose from, I've not got the time, nor the desire, to try them all. What I do know is the number and strength of the gang members can vary alot, 15 to 30 enemies and some can have miniguns. Each one only occurs at a specific time of day (morning, noon, night) and once done won't reappear till the next day (I think). So making multiple attempts at specific gang attacks is not that easy. With the points option any of them can be done so if you mess up one you can find another, on at that time of day, to try.

I've had a look at quite a few videos and average time to complete is around 2 1/2 minutes. Some of those are not done solo, we're going to do these with restrictions on weapons. So I reckon a time limit of 4 minutes should be OK.

Proposed rules

  • complete any different 3 gang attacks, each with a different class of weapon from the options below
    • one using only a pistol, heavy pistol, combat pistol, SNS pistol or vintage pistol
    • one using only a sawn off shotgun, pump shotgun or double barrel shotgun
    • one using only an compact rifle, assault rfile, carbine, advanced rifle, special carbine or bullpup rifle
    • any weapon modifcations obtained from Ammunation may be used
    • no modifcations or ammunation from a Gunrunning bunker / MOC may be used
      • so no mark II versions, no enhanced ammunition
    • also no using the ballistic equipment (no idea myself what use that may be, not got it, but may as well rule it out)
  • any kills obtained with any other weapon (including running people over in vehicles) invalidate that attempt
    • mele kills are allowed so long as it's using the specified weapons
  • they must be done solo
  • you may not make use of personal vehicles in any way
    • you can't use an amoured car and shoot from inside or use it for cover
    • you can't use a helicopter to get on top of a building
    • or any other way that a personal vehicle might help
  • it does not matter which gang attack you do with each weapon, so long as it's one for each class of weapon, and you do 3 different ones
  • video your gang attacks, starting the video showing which weapon you begin with (any change of weapon will of course be shown in the video) and keep your video running to show the final score and breakdown at the end
    • you can submit one video with all 3 gang attacks or seperate ones
  • timing will start from when the "gang attack" message appears and finish when "gang attack PASSED" appears
  • each gang attack is scored as
    • 1 point for each kill
    • 1 extra point for each specific kill type shown on the screen after you complete it, headshots, point blank, (any others I don't know about, don't think there are any, no mele kill category?)
    • -5 points for each death
    • -1 point for every 5 seconds you take over 4 minutes (or whatever time limit we decide on)
  • In the event of a tie on scores then whoever completes all 3 in the fastest total time wins
  • no usng your phone during the gang attacks
    • to rule out Merryweather, Pegasus vehicles, etc
    • no using any MC, CEO or VIP abilities

Other information

  • there is a thread on GTA forums about gang attacks, it has a map showing their location and what time of day each appears
  • the number of gang members and their weapons varies, some will be a lot easier to complete, some will be more difficult but have more potential points, it's up to you to decide which you want to do
  • make as many attempts as you like but only submit videos at the end
  • bullet proof helmets and armour may be worn and snacks can be used to heal

 

 

@pete_95973 @kernalhogan @Lann + anyone else, does that look OK?

Specificaly the time limit, weapon restrictions, points.

Pete I know you suggested the penalty for dieing should be higher, but I think it could be very difficult for some to avoid dieing given the weapon restrictions (definitely in my case from what I've tried).

Basically the idea is you'll win this by doing the 30 gang member attacks, getting mainly headshots, not dieing and not going over 4 minutes. But if someone wants to do the easier 15 enemy ones, get killed or take a long time, they can just to take part in the challenge.

 

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Looks good DJ. Should be an interesting challenge, hope there's a good turn out.

3 hours ago, djw180 said:

Pete I know you suggested the penalty for dieing should be higher, but I think it could be very difficult for some to avoid dieing given the weapon restrictions (definitely in my case from what I've tried).

The penalty for dying seems about right. I gave it a trial run with only a pistol, didn't save the video but I would estimate I scored a (-8) after all my death penalties. It was a poor attempt so the score is no surprise. With a little tactics and possibly a better choice of Gang Attack location, a positive score should be easy to obtain.

Don't want to see any attempts get invalidated, so definitely highlight this part:

4 hours ago, djw180 said:

starting the video showing which weapon you begin with

 

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Are the gun restrictions OK?

Pistols it's basically the failry normal ones (pistol, combat, heavy) plus the less powerful (unlikely to be used, but no issue if they are)

Shotguns pump and sawn off are the obvious ones, I've allowed double barreled because it has such a slow re-load. Assault, heavy and sweeper not allowed because of their rapid rate of fire. Not sure abou the bullbup, that may be OK to use (not over powerful)?

Rifles, all of them allowed - just added compact rifle in that I missed earlier.

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This looks good and sounds like fun, @djw180.

Can't see any obvious problems with the rules or scoring.  I like the weapon restrictions too.  Should be a challenging challenge. :)

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An idea for a non racing challenge :

Alpha Predator 

Kill 10 different randoms in a public lobby in the shortest time possible. 

Rules: No killing with aircrafts.No off radar or turn blind eye. Calling Lester to remove wanted level is ok, dying is ok.Sending muggers, Merryweather or placing bounties to distract is ok. Merryweather killing for you don't count. 

Save a video.

 

Explosive sniper rounds need to be excluded?  The Oppressor allowed?

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Rockstar created jobs - Leaders - XDBX 

Any type of job counts. 

1st in crew 10 points, 2nd in crew 9 points... and so on.

10 extra points if top 10 globally. 

A world record 100 points? 

The position must be held at the deadline.  Maybe extend it to two weeks. 

 

 

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Who can get the most new players to post an introduction on the site. 

One week enough? 

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Just this weekend I was thinking I was gonna suggest a new parachute challenge.  Good timing!  My other request is that we do a free roam killing challenge again.  Always a fan of those.  Maybe combined with a racing teammate or a TDM teammate?  Just a thought from a free roam killer.

Maybe even some twist on it such as melee kills or specific kind of kills?

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7 minutes ago, pete_95973 said:

Just this weekend I was thinking I was gonna suggest a new parachute challenge.  Good timing!  My other request is that we do a free roam killing challenge again.  Always a fan of those.  Maybe combined with a racing teammate or a TDM teammate?  Just a thought from a free roam killer.

Maybe even some twist on it such as melee kills or specific kind of kills?

 

On 01/08/2017 at 9:19 AM, Lann said:

An idea for a non racing challenge :

Alpha Predator 

Kill 10 different randoms in a public lobby in the shortest time possible. 

Rules: No killing with aircrafts.No off radar or turn blind eye. Calling Lester to remove wanted level is ok, dying is ok.Sending muggers, Merryweather or placing bounties to distract is ok. Merryweather killing for you don't count. 

Save a video.

 

Explosive sniper rounds need to be excluded?  The Oppressor allowed?

 

A combination of these for an upcoming challenge then? My knowledge of free roam killing is next to nothing. So what sort of things can we do?

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1 minute ago, djw180 said:

 

 

A combination of these for an upcoming challenge then? My knowledge of free roam killing is next to nothing. So what sort of things can we do?

I will come up with some possible ideas and post here.  Maybe some others can come up with ideas too.

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@pete_95973 @Lann I'm thinking of the next challenge being free roam killing, as Lann suggested kill 10 different players in the quickest time

What to exclude?

  • all explosives of any kind
    • you must kills players one at a time
  • vehicles may not be used to kill
    • too easy to use a turret gun, bombs, missiles
    • Should running someone over with a vehicle count?
  • off the radar
  • cops turn blind eye
  • Merryweather air strike

So it would be kills with a gun (non-explosive ammo) or mele weapon.

 

 

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Maybe no vehicles,  but any wespon in your weapon wheel?

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For a really interesting free roam challenge why not not use a weapon rarely used there. Something like musket or marksman pistol only or maybe only melee kills on players. 

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2 hours ago, Lann said:

Maybe no vehicles,  but any wespon in your weapon wheel?

Do you want RPGs, miniguns, grenades, etc that could give multiple kills at the same time?

 

2 hours ago, Squirrel said:

For a really interesting free roam challenge why not not use a weapon rarely used there. Something like musket or marksman pistol only or maybe only melee kills on players. 

Wouldn't they be a bit too difficult to get kills? I don't think I'd get any kills, unless it was by finding players who are AFK.

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Just now, djw180 said:

Wouldn't they be a bit too difficult to get kills? I don't think I'd get any kills, unless it was by finding players who are AFK.

Isn't it supposed to be a challenge? Will make counting up kills at the end easy too if they're not in the 100s!

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Maybe the middle works best, nothing that explodes and no vehicles, simply bullets fires from your personal gun (or knife is you prefer)

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I think sniper should be allowed (not with explosive rounds).  I also am not sure If I think multiple kills at once shouldn't be allowed.  If you can't use explosives or weaponized vehicles the odds are against it anyway.  But if you are pumping machine gun rounds into a car and it blows up (maybe you shoot a sticky out of their hand) or you shoot a gas tank next to a few players I think you should get credit.  I definitely agree on no explosives or armed vehicles.  Could you drive around in a vehicle and shoot players from the vehicle?  I think that should be okay.

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So nothing mounted or explosive, anything else goes. How about running ppl over?

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1 minute ago, Lann said:

So nothing mounted or explosive, anything else goes. How about running ppl over?

I think that should count.  That is no easy task with auto aim on vehicles.

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So the rules for this will be

  • kill 10 different players in the fastest time
    • save a video
    • timing starts when the on screen message appears for your first kill and ends when the message for your 10th appears
  • you may not use any explosives, thrown weapons or minigun
    • that includes no using explosive rounds for the sniper rifles
    • but other modifications to weapons can be used
  • you may not use any aircraft, special vehicles, armoured vehicles nor any vehicle mounted guns or rockets
  • you can shoot people from a normal car / bike with a gun or mele kill from a bike
  • getting kills from vehicles or gas tanks exploding or your enemies own explosives being hit by your bullets is allowed
  • you may not go off the radar or pay the cops to turn a blind eye
  • you may call Merryweather, muggers, remove wanted level
  • in other words all your kills must come from
    • shooting
    • mele kills
    • running over in a normal vehicle
  • and they only count if the on screen message credits you wih the kill
  • at the end of challenge please upload the video of your best attempt and please also post a list of the players you killed (this just makes it easier to check them)

 

@pete_95973 @Lann Does that look OK?

 

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Tbh the explosive sniper just insured it’s a 1 hit kill, it’s still gotta be free aimed every time which imo makes it as balanced as running about with a gun. Just a different way of doing it. Agree with everything else though. 

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2 hours ago, Crawford1872 said:

Tbh the explosive sniper just insured it’s a 1 hit kill, it’s still gotta be free aimed every time which imo makes it as balanced as running about with a gun. Just a different way of doing it. Agree with everything else though. 

Looks good DJ. 

Regarding what Ally said here: I agree if it is sniping a player on foot. But if used to shoot at a player in a vehicle it is the same or even more effective as an explosive/RPG. 

So maybe explosive sniper okay as long as not used on a player/players in a vehicle? What do you all think?

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1 hour ago, pete_95973 said:

Looks good DJ. 

Regarding what Ally said here: I agree if it is sniping a player on foot. But if used to shoot at a player in a vehicle it is the same or even more effective as an explosive/RPG. 

So maybe explosive sniper okay as long as not used on a player/players in a vehicle? What do you all think?

 

1 hour ago, Crawford1872 said:

Works for me, you made a good point lol

Isn't it simpler just to say don't use it at all? That just avoids any possible situation where we have decide if the player may or may not have been in a vehicle.

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