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Updated after the Red Dead Online Beta update February 26.

A combat guide was requested so I'm gonna try to explain the reasons behind my aim settings and give my two cents on the different weapons since I dabble quite a bit with virtual guns. It has to be said that I'm still not sure about a lot of the settings so I mess around with them quite a bit to see what works, and what works for me might not work for you. With that said, below is how they look at the moment. Also, feel free to post your thoughts, tips & tricks in this thread.

Aim settings:

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Lock-On Mode (On-Foot and Mount/Vehicle): Both are set to wide. Only started using it the other day after DC's shout and have yet to notice any difference compared to normal, but in theory it should allow you to lock onto enemies faster as you don't have to turn all the way to face them directly. Downside can be that instead of targeting the enemy in front of you, it will target another enemy in the peripheral which wasn't an uncommon problem in GTAO. There's also the chance that I'm taking it too literal. There's not a lot of info on this setting.

Aim-assist (On-Foot): Again, not quite sure about this one. During story mode I turned it all the way down when trying out free aim to build up muscle memory, and I forgot all about it until yesterday when I turned it back up (which is default if I'm not mistaken). I felt like it helped but it's hard to tell tbh. Definitely didn't hurt so I'll leave it maxed out.

Aim-assist (Mount/Vehicle): This should without a doubt be set to max.

Look Sensitivity: It can be turned up quite a bit without overshooting and the picture getting too distorted when moving the camera. It allows you to look and turn around quicker.

Aim Sensitivity: It's a bit of a tricky one but very important for quick headshots. It really depends on what you are comfortable with and I'd suggest raising it bit by bit. Once you are comfortable with a new setting try raising it again. If you can't get the hang of it then lower it back down and you have found your spot. Another thing to keep in mind is that a high sensitivity will make it harder in other areas like hunting, shooting of horseback, etc. So it very much depends on what you value the most.

Aim/Look Acceleration: This is how quickly your cross hair accelerates when aiming from when you first move the analog stick and how quickly the camera accelerates when not aiming. I'd say it's the same as the above. It can hurt you in other areas.

Aim/Look Dead Zone: Assuming this is the same as in GTAO, dead zone is the time between when you move the analog stick and when the movement happens on-screen. So definitely turn that all the way down so there's no delay. No idea why this setting is even in the game.

 

Weapons:

Gonna focus on which weapons it makes sense to buy money-wise while still being properly geared up for a fight. Main goal is to not spend money on unnecessary shit.

Sidearms: The Semi-Auto Pistol is cheaper than the Mauser and beats it in fire rate and accuracy while only losing in the damage department. And since headshots are so important in auto aim, I'll rather take fire rate and accuracy over damage. A headshot is a kill no matter the weapon so it's better to have the higher accuracy to land the shot and the quicker fire rate if the first shot doesn't land. 

Whether you've have started out with the free Volcanic Pistol or High Roller Revolver, I wouldn't recommend buying anything before having enough money for the Semi-Auto. It's not worth the upgrade IMO.

Another option is to go with the Sawed-Off Shotgun and free up the long gun slots for a rifle/repeater combo. It only holds two bullets but with an off-hand holster you can rock a pair of these bad boys.

Recommend: Sawed-Off Shotgun, Semi-Auto Pistol

Repeaters: The Lancaster is the superior weapon in this class. Compared to the Litchfield it has superior fire rate, reload and accuracy at the cost of a little fire power. With its large ammo capacity and quick fire rate it's perfect for mid-range combat.

Recommend: Lancaster

Rifles: The Bolt Action Rifle is a must-buy. For now it's the best rifle in the game for longe range killing and big game hunting, and it comes at a decent price so there's no reason to buy a bit cheaper rifle first. It was the first weapon I bought and upgraded.

Since the nerf of the Varmint Rifle it's no longer king of PVP, but it's still a must-buy for hunting small game. Very cheap and works fine without upgrading it in any way.

As for the snipers it's not really a contest. The Carcano is by far the better gun. It doesn't unlock before level 50 but the Bolt can be equipped with a scope so you don't have to waste money on the Rolling Block while you wait for the Carcano to unlock.

Recommend: The Bolt, Varmint and Carcano

Shotguns: Since I've the Ultimate Edition I started out with the Pump-Action Shotgun. If I hadn't, it probably still would have ended up in my armory as a shotgun is a must-have in my book. It's considerable better than the cheaper options and also 300 bucks cheaper than the Repeating Shotgun. No reason to spend that much money when the superior Semi-Auto Shotgun unlocks at level 42.

Recommend: Pump-Action and Semi-Auto Shotgun

Bow: Mandatory! Great for stealth missions and just overall a lot of fun.

Modifications: I'd would say save your money and only buy upgrades for the weapons that will be the main ones in each their classes for a considerable periode.

Ammunition: There are quite a few different kinds of ammo. First, for the pistols/revolvers/repeaters/rifles: Besides the Explosive bullets which of you can only hold 10 and should therefore be saved for special occasions, the most deadly is Express bullets with the added damage. IMO, always go for the extra damage. After that it's more depending on preferences and the weapon. High Velocity adds extra range and Split Point extra accuracy but also needs to be crafted. If I could go back, I wouldn't have purchased Split Point for that reason and the fact that when I do run out of Express I turn to High Velocity.

For the shotguns: Here's Explosive rounds also available and while clearly the best, again 10 is max. For everyday use we have Slugs adding extra damage, range and accuracy compared to the regular rounds. Lastly, there's Incendiary ammo which you can hold 14 rounds. They haven't got the accuracy and range of the Slugs but packs extra damage. I would buy just because of the fact that shotgun ammo is easy to run out of so those extra 14 rounds might come in handy.

Recommended weapon load-outs for combat jobs:

Dual-wielding Sawed-Off Shotguns, Lancaster Repeater and the Bolt Action Rifle for bigger and more open maps where you really can utilize the range of the Bolt and rarely will be in close quarter combat, and if so, the Sawed-Off Shotguns will do the job.

Dual-wielding Semi-Auto Pistols, Semi-Auto Shotgun and Lancaster Repeater for, you guessed it, smaller maps where enemies won't be further away than you can pick them off with the Lancaster and blast them away with the Semi-Auto Shotgun when they come in close.

Tips:

Like in GTAO you can do the quick 180° turn, though it's not quite as effective as you keep on going in the same direction as before you turned around if you don't press down and then up on the left analog stick. The turn is done by holding down the right analog stick (without aiming), then quickly aim to make your player turn around. It's comes in handy for when you spot an enemy behind you on the mini-map.

Don't know if it has a name but let's call it the combat dive. It's common knowledge but some might have wrote it off completely because it's not the combat roll from GTAO. While it's not anywhere near as effective, it's actually still pretty useful in situations where an enemy gets the jump on you. It's not OP like the combat roll as the enemy will quickly be able to lock on again but it will be a tough shot going for the head and that can buy you time to get one off yourself. It has to be said that if you are already really low on health or the enemy is carrying a shotgun the dive isn't of much use as they can easily get off a bodyshot before you get back up. The dive is done by pressing square while aiming and pointing the right analog stick in the direction you want to jump.

The option to expand the mini-map for good is there so why not use it? It doesn't take up at lot of space on the screen and you don't have to press down on the d-pad all the time for a better look.

Also giving a better look is going for the third person view that is furthest away from the player. It gives you a bigger chance to spot enemies coming from the sides and helps you scan around corners more efficiently all while the aiming zoom remains the same as in any other third person view, though it still might take some getting used to.

 

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Good post. Will need to have a look at my aiming settings tomorrow and try your suggestions. The slowness of everything was great for story mode and world views but might be contributing to me not enjoying regular gun combat much online yet

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8 hours ago, Banketelli said:

A combat guide was requested so I'm gonna try to explain the reasons behind my aim settings and give my two cents on the different weapons since I dabble quite a bit with virtual guns. It has to be said that I'm still not sure about a lot of the settings so I mess around with them quite a bit to see what works, and what works for me might not work for you. With that said, below is how they look at the moment. Also, feel free to post your thoughts, tips & tricks in this thread.

Aim settings:

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Lock-On Mode (On-Foot and Mount/Vehicle) are both set to wide. Only started using it the other day after DC's shout and have yet to notice any difference compared to normal, but in theory it should allow you to lock onto enemies faster as you don't have to turn all the way to face them directly. Downside can be that instead of targeting the enemy in front of you, it will target another enemy in the peripheral which wasn't an uncommon problem in GTAO. There's also the chance that I'm taking it too literal. There's not a lot of into on this setting.

Aim-assist (On-Foot): Again, not quite sure about this one. During story mode I turned it all the way down when trying out free aim to build up muscle memory, and I forgot all about it until yesterday when I turned it back up (which is default if I'm not mistaken). I felt like it helped but it's hard to tell tbh. Definitely didn't hurt so I'll leave it maxed out.

Aim-assist (Mount/Vehicle): This should without a doubt be set to max.

Look Sensitivity can be turned up quite a bit without overshooting and the picture getting too distorted when moving the camera. It allows you to look and turn around quicker.

Aim Sensitivity is a tricky one but very important for quick headshots. It really depends on what you are comfortable with and I'd suggest raising it bit by bit. Once you are comfortable with a new setting try raising it again. If you can't get the hang of it then lower it back down and you have found your spot. Another thing to keep in mind is that a high sensitivity will make it harder in other areas like hunting, shooting of horseback, etc. So it's very much depends on what you value the most.

Aim/Look Acceleration: As the name indicates this is how quickly your cross hair accelerates/the screen moves from when you first move the analog stick. I'd say it's the same as the above. It can hurt you in other areas.

Aim/Look Dead Zone: Assuming this is the same as in GTAO, dead zone is the time between when you move the analog stick and when the movement happens on-screen. So definitely turn that all the way down so there's no delay. No idea why this setting is even in the game.

 

Weapons:

Gonna focus on which weapons it makes sense to buy money-wise while still being properly geared up for a fight. Main goal is to not spend money on unnecessary shit.

Revolvers/pistols: I'm looking to get the Semi-Auto Pistol. It's cheaper than the Mauser and beats it in fire rate and accuracy while only losing in the damage department. And since headshots are so important in auto aim, I'll rather take fire rate and accuracy over damage. A headshot is a kill no matter the weapon so it's better to have the higher accuracy to land the shot and the quicker fire rate if the first shot doesn't land.

Whether you've have started out with the free Volcanic Pistol or High Roller Revolver, I wouldn't buy anything before having enough money for the Semi-Auto Pistol. It's not worth the upgrade IMO.

Repeaters: The Repeaters all seem pretty equal so I'm sticking with the Carbine. I don't really rate any of them so it was an easy decision. I'll much rather use a rifle.

Rifles: The Bolt is a must-buy. For now it's the best rifle in the game and it comes at a decent price so there's no reason to buy a bit cheaper rifle first. It's a huge upgrade to the Carbine Repeater. It was the first weapon I bought and upgraded.

The Varmint Rifle is also a must-buy for hunting small game. Very cheap and works fine without upgrading it in any way. And apparently it should be good for quick headshots in PVP as well.

As for the snipers it's not really a contest. The Carcano is by far the better gun. It doesn't unlock before level 50 but the Bolt can be equipped with a scope so you don't have to waste money on the Rolling Block while you wait for the Carcano to unlock.

Shotguns: Since I've the Ultimate Edition I started out with the Pump-Action Shotgun. If I hadn't, it probably still would have ended up in my armory as a shotgun is a must-have in my book. It's considerable better than the cheaper options and also 300 bucks cheaper than the Repeating Shotgun. No reason to spend that much money when the superior Semi-Auto Shotgun unlocks at level 42.

Bow: Mandatory! Great for stealth missions and just overall a lot of fun.

Modifications: I'd would say only buy upgrades for the weapons that will be the main ones in each their classes for a considerable periode. So far I've only upgraded the Bolt and the Pump-Action Shotgun. Will get the Varmint upgraded next and try it out in PVP.

 

Tips:

Like in GTAO you can do the quick 180° turn, though it's not quite as effective as you will keep going in the same directive as before you turned around if you don't press down and then up on the left analog stick. The turn is done by holding down the right analog stick (without aiming), then quickly aim to make your player turn around. It's comes in handy for when you spot an enemy behind you on the mini-map.

Don't know if it has a name but let's call it the combat dive. It's common knowledge but some might have wrote it off completely because it's not the combat roll from GTAO. While it's not anywhere near as effective, it's actually still pretty useful in situations where an enemy gets the jump on you. It's not OP like the combat roll as the enemy will quickly be able to lock on again but it will be a tough shot going for the head and that can buy you time to get one off yourself. It has to be said that if you are already really low on health or the enemy is carrying a shotgun the dive isn't of much use as they can easily get off a bodyshot before you get back up. The dive is done by pressing square while aiming and pointing the right analog stick in the direction you want to jump.

The option to permanently expand the mini-map is there so why not use it? It doesn't take up at lot of space on the screen and you don't have to press down on the d-pad all the time for a better look.

Also giving a better look is going for the third person view that is furthest away from the player. It gives you a bigger chance to spot enemies coming from the sides and helps you to scan around corners all while the aiming zoom remains the same as in any other third person view, though it still might take some getting used to.

 

Guess that is it for now. Might cover the ability cards in the future. I hope you'll find some of this useful. Again, if you have some combat tips & tricks of your own and/or thoughts on weapons, post them here.

 

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Bought the bolt action tonight. I spent my last $360 but I’m taking it to the combat series tomorrow. 

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46 minutes ago, pete_95973 said:

Bought the bolt action tonight. I spent my last $360 but I’m taking it to the combat series tomorrow. 

My advice would be to try the varment rifle for insta-headshots, and if you're just not getting them to switch to the bolt action rifle so body shots start counting.


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Nice guide.

I've got my sensitivity a little lower.


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Wow! Just played my first combat job with Bolt Action. Definitely a game changer. Most kills I’ve had in a mode this week. Worth it if you care about combat! Thanks @Banketelli

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This is awesome... now I just have to figure out how to avoid being lassoed by randoms...

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11 minutes ago, ErnYoung said:

This is awesome... now I just have to figure out how to avoid being lassoed by randoms...

I've a solution for that as well. :D

 

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Brilliant!!! 

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Use your map, press square if the map index is not showing then use L1/ R1 to Location to find & visit a Fence then buy it for $0 offer ends in 25 days I believe.

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Wulfherth

I am so trash in pvp :(

Not sure if i need to get used to the settings or something but something feels off.

I'm scoring so low i'm getting 70 exp lol

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50 minutes ago, Wulfherth said:

I am so trash in pvp :(

Not sure if i need to get used to the settings or something but something feels off.

I'm scoring so low i'm getting 70 exp lol

I’m struggling with it some compared to GTA. By the end of my time on GTAO I feel I was in the top 5-10% of the player population in combat. 

In RDRO I’m finding I’m middle of the pack. I don’t know if the randoms are better or I’m not picking it up as fast. But I know exactly what you mean about something feeling off. Probably my skills lol


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Wulfherth

I was middle of the pack in GTA so that explains why i'm absolute trash here. Oh well, practice makes perfect?

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4 minutes ago, Wulfherth said:

I was middle of the pack in GTA so that explains why i'm absolute trash here. Oh well, practice makes perfect?

It does. Some people are naturally good at video games, have quick reflexes, good eyes etc. Some lack of that can be overturned with practice and study! We will get there. 

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Its definitely hampering my exp gain though so i' have to figure out another way to gain exp 😕

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@pete_95973 There is a card system that has 4 card but only 3 of the 4 are usable until you reach a certain level.

Each of the 4 can be upgraded twice. 

The cards affects Dead Eye, offense, defense & health.

Accuracy upgrades for weapons at the gun store, special bullets, cleaning your weapon with cloth, oilng the weapon or pressing x everytime you aim so you can strafe left to right quicker. Whie using dead eye you can fire your Varment faster & when you have the third card for dead eye, marking multiple targets then shooting.

Controller sensitivity as well I guess.

 

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3 hours ago, Smurf said:

@pete_95973 There is a card system that has 4 card but only 3 of the 4 are usable.

Each of the 4 can be updated twice. 

One card affects the damage you do from horse back, a next affects your dead eye shot, heal up in dead eye..ect 

Accuracy update with weapons at the gun store, special bullets, cleaning your weapon with cloth, oilng the weapon or pressing x everytime you aim so you can strafe left to right quicker and when using dead eye you can fire your Varment faster & when you have the third card for dead eye, marking multiple targets then shooting.

Controller sensitivity as well I guess.

 

Oh yeah I’m utilizing the cards. Also cleaning the weapons. 

I might have made sound worse than it is. It’s not like I’m getting my ass kicked. I’m positive KD for sure.  Even getting the occasional MVP. It’s just not like GTA deathmatches where I’m use to scores of 17-5, 10-2, 25-8 etc (against randoms).

But I like the challenge. Gonna work at it. I am however getting bored with just the half dozen or so combat maps. Looking forward to future updates and a creator. 

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I hate the diving & slow movement when aiming, we shouldn't have to press an extra button to strafe faster. If only all games at minimum had division's movement & controls the world would be a better place.

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Extra damage card is working well for me, it's always active as well, while some cards aren't. You can see what's active in the top right corner.

Also don't keep changing sensitivity settings, it won't help be consistent.

Still a lot to learn, and I don't think I'll ever be as dominant as in GTA, but I'm slowly improving.

@Wulfherth - What guns are you using?


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Do the weapon wraps actually protect weapons from wear and tear as the description says?

Do stocks change anything, or is it just visual?


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3 hours ago, DavidCore89 said:

Extra damage card is working well for me, it's always active as well, while some cards aren't. You can see what's active in the top right corner.

Also don't keep changing sensitivity settings, it won't help be consistent.

Still a lot to learn, and I don't think I'll ever be as dominant as in GTA, but I'm slowly improving.

@Wulfherth - What guns are you using?

I'm using Bolt Action, Lancaster, and sometimes swapping out Lancaster with Varmint, though it feels cheap to use Varmint

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5 hours ago, DavidCore89 said:

Do the weapon wraps actually protect weapons from wear and tear as the description says?

Do stocks change anything, or is it just visual?

The wraps protect long guns the same as holsters protect sidearms. It's supposed to slow degradation.

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If anyone changes the metal type of their weapon, check to see if it restores the weapon degradation completely. Well. Whatever the results are if any.

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Okay, i've found that i'm much improved now. I changed my reticule to default and the accuracy indicator helps quite a bit, and i've gotten the flick headshot pretty much in muscle memory.

Got about 5 mvps in a row!

I use Lancaster for mid range and sometimes even mid-long range. This is my favorite gun.

Bolt for long range. Headshots seem a bit wonky at super high ranges with any gun but this works most of the time, i suggest just aiming for the torso if they're really far. 

Sawed-off for close range surprises.

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Banketelli

Might have to give my trusty Bolt a break and try out the Lancaster. Heard a lot of good things now. 

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Lancaster is better IMO.

Only use the bolt for hunting large animals.

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I'm pleasantly surprised. The quick fire rate made a lot of difference in the chaos that is Most Wanted. Though the fall in accuracy when used to the Bolt is very noticeably. From close to around mid-range it's fine for headshots but further out the difference is big. I'd say it depends a lot on the map/combat mode. Missed the Bolt a lot while playing Hostile Territory. But I definitely underrated the repeaters!

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FYI Your aim sways and is horrible if your deadeye core is in the red. Thankfully i always kept my cores full but i just learned this today.

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I’ll try the Lancaster. Lately I’ve been on the varmint bandwagon. 

Yesterday was a good day for me too. Won three most wanted and had some high kill counts in shootouts. 

I have also added wraps and feel like I am cleaning my weapons less. 

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Might try this setup out so I'm covered from both long, mid and close range.

Bolt, Lancaster and duel wielding Sawed-Off Shotguns.

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