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Jc10110    167

My POV below!


Start at the beginning of the video : I suggest watching the first two laps, some great battles once again with @Mythaga, a lot of action, untill @MAHALOKA binned it in the chicane and went for a beer in my grandstand :D

On lap three I had my fastest lap of the race. Perfect timing, this allowed me to get close to P2 and P3 and get some breathing space behind me

@Potato and @Fido_le_muet were battling for second, managed to get closer to them each lap and at 11:45 i was able to get past Fido due to a mistake in the chicane. I thought I could drive away from him and catch up on Potato, but he stayed right behind me and at 15:10, I lost some time on the curbs and he got me again. After that, I didn't manage to get closer anymore and brought my car to a respectable 4th place. The third time in a row... I really need a podium next race...

After seeing the video, I realise that I went wide a few times on the exit of the chicane. Fido also did it and I guess a lot of others as well. In our defence, that happens irl too on that spot :)

 

 

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MAHALOKA    64
1 hour ago, Jc10110 said:

My POV below!


Start at the beginning of the video : I suggest watching the first two laps, some great battles once again with @Mythaga, a lot of action, untill @MAHALOKA binned it in the chicane and went for a beer in my grandstand :D

On lap three I had my fastest lap of the race. Perfect timing, this allowed me to get close to P2 and P3 and get some breathing space behind me

@Potato and @Fido_le_muet were battling for second, managed to get closer to them each lap and at 11:45 i was able to get past Fido due to a mistake in the chicane. I thought I could drive away from him and catch up on Potato, but he stayed right behind me and at 15:10, I lost some time on the curbs and he got me again. After that, I didn't manage to get closer anymore and brought my car to a respectable 4th place. The third time in a row... I really need a podium next race...

After seeing the video, I realise that I went wide a few times on the exit of the chicane. Fido also did it and I guess a lot of others as well. In our defence, that happens irl too on that spot :)

 

 

i do love the belgian beers @Jc10110:D

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MAHALOKA    64
11 hours ago, Squirrel said:

Safe and boring but it was the track we chose out of the two available. Won't be featuring again, it's already off my list along with other tracks from the same creator. 

Spa Results.jpg

seriously, i feel heartbroken after all the shit-talk and downvoting u guys did, why use the track?  there aren't any better ones...

the creator is a friend of me from japan, he was overjoyed when i told him his track would be used for an event. he didnt have a copy of gtav for himself, he used to borrow it from a friend. when u asked to me to ask him to make some changes he even spent around $50 to buy a new gtav-game to apply the changes that were requested, within 2days time.

u guys should shame urself in a corner, really sad imo

 

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Squirrel    4,506

It was used because it was the best available on socialclub at the time. 

Responsibilty of the track selection lies with myself and I'm setting a high standard for this series and the creations involved. We've made tracks at full size before and the scaled down speed of GTA just doesn't work for fun competitive racing. 

Ive spent a long time testing a lot of different circuits, in a lot of cases there hasn't been any tracks where I'm happy with the length, scenery and other factors and I've rebuilt the track to the standard required for this competition. 

Sky tracks in general aren't as fun to race on, lack of reference points and when everything is the same colour it makes the track lifeless and dull. 

Poor checkpoint placement doesn't help too. 

The guy is a talented creator, his tracks are smooth and accurate but GTA needs a little more than that to make it interesting to race on. 

Ask him to take a look at some of the tracks used in the series, in particular Monza, Monaco, Hungaroring, Silverstone and Suzuka. These recreations may not be 100% accurate in terms of layout but the way they are blended in with the existing game scenery makes a world of difference when it comes to racing. 

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Jc10110    167
20 minutes ago, MAHALOKA said:

seriously, i feel heartbroken after all the shit-talk and downvoting u guys did, why use the track?  there aren't any better ones...

the creator is a friend of me from japan, he was overjoyed when i told him his track would be used for an event. he didnt have a copy of gtav for himself, he used to borrow it from a friend. when u asked to me to ask him to make some changes he even spent around $50 to buy a new gtav-game to apply the changes that were requested, within 2days time.

u guys should shame urself in a corner, really sad imo

 

Not everyone knows that background story of the track. I agree that the downvoting wasn't very clever. Its a very good remake, almost every corner feels like in other racing games. The reason for the downvoting and shit talk is that we raced with pfisters. The track is too long for sports cars. If we raced on it with supercars, you wouldnt hear anyone complaining. Definitly going to keep the track bookmarked!

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Crawford1872    1,443

Lol he should ask for a refund...  if something is crap and it's not by someone I know or am racing with at the time then I feel perfectly within my rights to tear into it, that's how the real world works. If he had been there then it would have been different because we would have had the opportunity to be more constructive. However if anyone had talked like I did during the race directly to him I would have been embarrassed on a human level because that's cruel, unnecessary and it's not what we're about.  That's the bit to remember. 

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Potato    468
2 hours ago, Jc10110 said:

After seeing the video, I realise that I went wide a few times on the exit of the chicane. Fido also did it and I guess a lot of others as well. In our defence, that happens irl too on that spot :)

Yes I noticed that. You'll notice when I upload my race that I was looking backwards on the start/finish straight on every lap, and on every lap you were both track extending and kerb boosting. I know that I wasn't perfectly between the lines the entire race, hit a few kerbs here and there, but doing it on the same corner every lap is kinda taking the piss imo.

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Protocawl    1,572
40 minutes ago, MAHALOKA said:

seriously, i feel heartbroken after all the shit-talk and downvoting u guys did, why use the track?  there aren't any better ones...

the creator is a friend of me from japan, he was overjoyed when i told him his track would be used for an event. he didnt have a copy of gtav for himself, he used to borrow it from a friend. when u asked to me to ask him to make some changes he even spent around $50 to buy a new gtav-game to apply the changes that were requested, within 2days time.

u guys should shame urself in a corner, really sad imo

 

I'll make sure to put my turd on a pedestal next time I take a shit.

It got used, since it was the closest to the real track from the options we had, but that doesn't make it good. That was talked about throughout the decision process. Your opinion isn't very unbiased either, given that he's your friend. There was no reason to make him feel like we loved the track. There's also a lot more he could do to improve the track and make it good, mostly in terms of CP placement and athmospheric props (stands, trees, buildings, etc.), but it's not there and that's why the track is dreary as hell, since it's all gray asphalt and barriers in the sky. Nothing to tell any part of the track apart or give the feeling of the real track. It's very similar to the real version layout-wise, but that's all.

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Mythaga    111
2 hours ago, Jc10110 said:

My POV below!


Start at the beginning of the video : I suggest watching the first two laps, some great battles once again with @Mythaga, a lot of action, untill @MAHALOKA binned it in the chicane and went for a beer in my grandstand :D

On lap three I had my fastest lap of the race. Perfect timing, this allowed me to get close to P2 and P3 and get some breathing space behind me

@Potato and @Fido_le_muet were battling for second, managed to get closer to them each lap and at 11:45 i was able to get past Fido due to a mistake in the chicane. I thought I could drive away from him and catch up on Potato, but he stayed right behind me and at 15:10, I lost some time on the curbs and he got me again. After that, I didn't manage to get closer anymore and brought my car to a respectable 4th place. The third time in a row... I really need a podium next race...

After seeing the video, I realise that I went wide a few times on the exit of the chicane. Fido also did it and I guess a lot of others as well. In our defence, that happens irl too on that spot :)

 

 

Good battle once again @Jc10110 ?

Not sure exactly what happened but it all went a bit pete tong within a lap for me. I was 5th having a good dice with JC, but got boxed in behind a couple of people which slowed me up and I lost momentum, which allowed @JuniorChubb & @Protocawl past. 

In my haste to get back past Chubb I made contact with him at the hairpin when I misjudged his braking (sorry mate) which held me up further...

Managed to get past Chubb legitimately a lap or so later then spent the rest of the race chasing down Proto.

Managed to catch him on the last lap but he 'did a JC' and binned in with only a couple of corners to go! 

So back to my default postion of 5th lol

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Fido_le_muet    4,205

My POV : 

Qualifying : 

Race : 

I don't really have anything to say of interest for the stewarts. 

I did occasionaly go over the curb here and there. As @Potato said, I went over the curb at the last chicane a few times. Know that it was unintentionnal every time. I was pushing hard to cath you/defend my position from @Jc10110.

You can even see that I let go off the gas when I thought I was too far out. I even let @Jc10110 pass me when it happened. 

@Jc10110 went over the line as well at that spot but like he said, it happens almost every lap IRL so I didn't think much of it. 

The stewarts are law and it is their call if it needs reviewing :)

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Jc10110    167
24 minutes ago, Fido_le_muet said:

Know that it was unintentionnal every time. I was pushing hard to cath you/defend my position from @Jc10110.

Yeah indeed, I saw that I didn't do it on the first couple of laps, but as soon as I was right behind you it kept happening :P

Great racing Fido!

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MAHALOKA    64

here's my pov

only thing to complain about is the lagg-issues caused by ppl who stream the event (on twitch)

on 3rd lap i crashed on the end of the lap after suffering a laggspike @Protocawlwho was streaming on twitch was short behind me.., couldnt recover anymore and crashed, lost lots of places. couple of laps later @Protocawl sent me spinning with a lagg-slam, didnt wait either. (he did look back i saw on his stream, i got penalised 5sec last race because of an incident like that, where -miraculously protocawl was driving right behind me and was streaming on twitch.) i was told off when mentioned that the lagg is caused by streaming, especially on twitch. i also noticed in the race that a lagg-spike almost sent @Jc10110 into the boarding, protocawl was driving right next to him there. when @Mythaga spun out @JuniorChubb protocawl was driving right behind them. its too much too be coincidence.. i hereby request from the stewards to put an altogether 'BAN' on streaming during the race.  

on a different note; after a night sleeping on it(i was really pissed off last night after the race) because off all the childish behaviour, negativity, downvoting and shitty reactions after mentioning it, ive decided to go and find my joy somewhere else. hope u guys(and girls) farewell and have lots of fun, and we still can be friends and play together sometimes, but im too old, and respect myself too much for such behaviour. ciao

 

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Crawford1872    1,443
14 minutes ago, MAHALOKA said:

here's my pov

only thing to complain about is the lagg-issues caused by ppl who stream the event (on twitch)

on 3rd lap i crashed on the end of the lap after suffering a laggspike @Protocawlwho was streaming on twitch was short behind me.., couldnt recover anymore and crashed, lost lots of places. couple of laps later @Protocawl sent me spinning with a lagg-slam, didnt wait either. (he did look back i saw on his stream, i got penalised 5sec last race because of an incident like that, where -miraculously protocawl was driving right behind me and was streaming on twitch.) i was told off when mentioned that the lagg is caused by streaming, especially on twitch. i also noticed in the race that a lagg-spike almost sent @Jc10110 into the boarding, protocawl was driving right next to him there. when @Mythaga spun out @JuniorChubb protocawl was driving right behind them. its too much too be coincidence.. i hereby request from the stewards to put an altogether 'BAN' on streaming during the race.  

on a different note; after a night sleeping on it(i was really pissed off last night after the race) because off all the childish behaviour, negativity, downvoting and shitty reactions after mentioning it, ive decided to go and find my joy somewhere else. hope u guys(and girls) farewell and have lots of fun, and we still can be friends and play together sometimes, but im too old, and respect myself too much for such behaviour. ciao

 

With respect, it looks like you just drove into the wall. Don't know why you're trying to put that one on Proto. 

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Potato    468
16 minutes ago, MAHALOKA said:

here's my pov

only thing to complain about is the lagg-issues caused by ppl who stream the event (on twitch)

on 3rd lap i crashed on the end of the lap after suffering a laggspike @Protocawlwho was streaming on twitch was short behind me.., couldnt recover anymore and crashed, lost lots of places. couple of laps later @Protocawl sent me spinning with a lagg-slam, didnt wait either. (he did look back i saw on his stream, i got penalised 5sec last race because of an incident like that, where -miraculously protocawl was driving right behind me and was streaming on twitch.) i was told off when mentioned that the lagg is caused by streaming, especially on twitch. i also noticed in the race that a lagg-spike almost sent @Jc10110 into the boarding, protocawl was driving right next to him there. when @Mythaga spun out @JuniorChubb protocawl was driving right behind them. its too much too be coincidence.. i hereby request from the stewards to put an altogether 'BAN' on streaming during the race.  

on a different note; after a night sleeping on it(i was really pissed off last night after the race) because off all the childish behaviour, negativity, downvoting and shitty reactions after mentioning it, ive decided to go and find my joy somewhere else. hope u guys(and girls) farewell and have lots of fun, and we still can be friends and play together sometimes, but im too old, and respect myself too much for such behaviour. ciao

 

How can you blame Proto for you driving into the wall? And if someone is going slow on the racing line, it's down to you to go around them, not rear end them.

The only petulance here is from you not being able to accept blame for your own actions, and accept when you're wrong.

You seem like the sort of person who'd say "best of 5?" when losing a best of 3 Rock, Paper, Scissors game 2-0 and would want a trophy presentation after winning a game of cluedo.

see ya.

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Jc10110    167
19 minutes ago, Crawford1872 said:

With respect, it looks like you just drove into the wall. Don't know why you're trying to put that one on Proto. 

@Protocawl wasn't near you when you crashed. As you can see in my video on 4:00, I was right behind you. If this was caused by lag, you would have seen me crashing into you on your video. + you can see that I took a different line in the chicane. I turned much more to the right at the first part of the chicane to have a higher speed on the straight (which didn't work lol). At the moment I am leaving your racing line, you crash.

Proto hit me earlier in the race (3:00) in my video, that could have been lag indeed, let's check his video. He should have waited on my POV, but I didn't feel like reporting, cos I was able to overtake Myth and him a few corners later

I agree that streaming should be banned though. No need to 'challenge' the servers for a small amount of viewers.

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JuniorChubb    457
4 hours ago, Mythaga said:

In my haste to get back past Chubb I made contact with him at the hairpin when I misjudged his braking (sorry mate) which held me up further...

Managed to get past Chubb legitimately a lap or so later then spent the rest of the race chasing down Proto.

Managed to catch him on the last lap but he 'did a JC' and binned in with only a couple of corners to go! 

So back to my default postion of 5th lol

No problem Myth, a little frustrating at the time as we were approaching the tightest corner of the track and you know I drive like a pensioner. It is all smoothed over though as you instantly apologised and waited for me to get going again which is exactly how the situation should be handled. :)

It was good fun racing with you at that stage of the race as I am usually 5 or 6 places behind you at that point.

As for the downvoting, I upvote most user created tracks as even if they are not to your taste the creator would have put hours of time and effort in. You also have to consider the the quality of the average Social Club job, Spa may have been dull and boring but it was well made, smooth and a 'reasonable' representIon of Spa and of a higher quality than the average Social Club job. If it's better than average and raceable it deserves an upvote IMO.

However as Ally said, once a job is published anyone who uses it can vote anyway they like, we are not obliged to up vote.

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Paulie    79

Congrats @BRacer and @Potato!

Nothing really spectaculair to mention racing wise but the last chicane in the very last lap with the invisible blocks stuff was very strange.

Didn't like I screwed up to 2 places in the race I had a struggle, this is one to fastly forget, everything else is been said.

Unfortunately I have to miss @JuniorChubbster's track but I will think of you all when I am kicking it in the Balkans! :P

 

 

 

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Crawford1872    1,443
1 hour ago, Squirrel said:

Those invisible blocks are crazy. Strange that they only affected cars at the end 

Yeah we had to all slow down at the end to make sure people finished in the right order. Another reason to dislike. 

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JuniorChubb    457

Nobody got any idea what they are or why they seem to spawn late in the race?

I was thinking it might have been related to the Yachts but the track is over the Alamo sea IIRC.

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Potato    468

My race. Nothing to report to the stewards, no issues from my part. Was a close battle with @Fido_le_muet the entire race (I think the gap between us never got to more than 3 seconds) and @Jc10110 wasn't far behind either.

@The_Lady_A made my heart skip a few beats at 27:56 and I think a little bit of poo came out.

 

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Protocawl    1,572

... I've only just read the posts from yesterday thoroughly and watched the video from Maha's POV and I want to make things clear once and for all. I'm aware that he has left the Cup and the crew, so I don't know if he'll get to read it or not, but he's probably not mature enough to understand any of this anyway from what I've read and heard from him during these past few weeks and days. Too busy blaming, shaming and crucifying everyone else for everything that's going wrong in his life it seems.

@MAHALOKA Let me show you what you can't see yourself, because you're too occupied blaming everyone else:

On 8/22/2017 at 1:27 AM, MAHALOKA said:

@Clydicalitypls. remove that annoying horn from your car.

it f**ked up my race-concentration at silverstone, slightly less at hungaroring and today it really was very annoying :(

would have finished in front of u on both silverstone and tonight at spa.

thank you.

I watched your video, it might have been slightly annoying, but in no way does it distract one's racing that much (I've been close to someone, maybe Clydicality, maybe someone else, who also accidentally pressed the horn while cornering, in one of the previous races and it was only mildly annoying, but didn't screw up my concentration that much, more like made me concentrate even harder), unless one can't concentrate on the track in the first place. Also, you are asking him to remove the stock horn from his car? Want him to change the code for the game? I can assure you, all the custom horns in the game are much more annoying and distracting during a race. Perhaps you should stop watching my stream while racing or maybe mute your game sounds/TV/headphones instead and stop bitching.

 

 

On 8/22/2017 at 4:44 PM, MAHALOKA said:

here's my pov

only thing to complain about is the lagg-issues caused by ppl who stream the event (on twitch)

on 3rd lap i crashed on the end of the lap after suffering a laggspike @Protocawlwho was streaming on twitch was short behind me.., couldnt recover anymore and crashed, lost lots of places. couple of laps later @Protocawl sent me spinning with a lagg-slam, didnt wait either. (he did look back i saw on his stream, i got penalised 5sec last race because of an incident like that, where -miraculously protocawl was driving right behind me and was streaming on twitch.) i was told off when mentioned that the lagg is caused by streaming, especially on twitch. i also noticed in the race that a lagg-spike almost sent @Jc10110 into the boarding, protocawl was driving right next to him there. when @Mythaga spun out @JuniorChubb protocawl was driving right behind them. its too much too be coincidence.. i hereby request from the stewards to put an altogether 'BAN' on streaming during the race.  

on a different note; after a night sleeping on it(i was really pissed off last night after the race) because off all the childish behaviour, negativity, downvoting and shitty reactions after mentioning it, ive decided to go and find my joy somewhere else. hope u guys(and girls) farewell and have lots of fun, and we still can be friends and play together sometimes, but im too old, and respect myself too much for such behaviour. ciao

 

Yup, streaming is evil and so are video games, by the way. Don't you know that everyone who plays video games becomes a mass murderer, a psychopath and quite possibly a thief at the very least! All streamers must surely be hackers and criminals, too! Actually, they might even be gods! They make everyone be shit at driving and crash into walls all by themselves and aggressively drive into the rear of other racers' cars several times per race, every race!  :AWE:

Or it might be that you are just too aggressive to stay out of collisions.

Are you also saying that you were watching my stream while racing? If yes, then you really are special. Any serious lag would come from you doing that and any loss of concentration would also come from that.

Here's the brutal truth:

You crashed at the end of lap 3, because your entry and exit of the final chicane were shit that lap, you ran wide and you didn't let off the throttle. In other words: you pushed too hard in the worst place possible. What happened is called understeer. Maybe you've heard of such a phenomenon in racing?

Couple of laps later, I didn't send you spinning - you did. I was moving back onto the track from going a bit wide at the chicane exit and you could see me there, but decided to floor it anyway and hit me in the rear, as you like to do to everyone who's right in front of you. Had that "lagg-spike", as you call it, not happened, you would've successfully P.I.T.-maneuvered me and we would've both been sideways in the middle of the road. What happened could be interpreted as karma. The same thing happened between me and Myth a few laps earlier, me hitting him, coming from the inside, but I slowed down, helped him straighten his car and drove on, because it was the worst place and time to try to let someone pass, with several cars right behind us. He got the position back from me on the last lap, though. Karma again, perhaps.

"Miraculously" I do happen to be close to see your overly-aggressive driving and it's consequences in several races, but it's all you. You just love ramming others in the rear. Maybe that's your thing, I'm not one to judge, but keep it out of racing. You did that when I was "miraculously" NOT near you at Spa, when you rammed Chubb in the rear (you can hear it and see it on your own video, middle of the race somewhere) and Clydicality as well later on (that looked like you raging at his accidental honking - mature). At Hungaroring you clearly braked too late and crashed into the rear bumper of Trashbags, when you should've left a small safety gap between you two in a sharp turn and braked before him to avoid crashing into the back of him. But I guess that was all my fault, too, right? I decide who lives and who dies with my evil Twitch streaming. And how dare I use Twitch, - shame, shame on me! The game has been laggy from the start due to P2P, but I guess that's all because of Twitch.

When Myth crashed into the back of Chubb, it looked like almost a copy of your crash with Trashbags on Hungaroring, only without lag and Myth had the decency to admit his late braking and wait for Chubb. You on the other hand start blaming me and the weather and a disruption in the force for your mistakes - nice.

I don't know how many have watched your entire video, but on the last laps, you were just desperately curb-boosting and making straights out of chicanes to keep your place. You were just aiming so clearly for that boost on the outside of the final chicane for several laps in a row. Not to mention the lap when you made a complete straight out of Eu Rouge and all the corners you went deliberately wide just to get that small boost to escape Clydicality's honking and get closer to those far ahead of you. I hereby also bring this to the Stewards' attention, @Squirrel. (I suggest watching the entire race.)

It's sad, but funny that the one complaining most about everyone else being childish and dirty racers and crucifying them online is the only one who is childish and one of the dirtiest racers you can find if things aren't going his way. I bid you farewell and hope your mind can catch up to your body someday.

 

 

@Jc10110 You also requested a ban on streaming, saying: "I agree that streaming should be banned though. No need to 'challenge' the servers for a small amount of viewers."

For your information, I've been streaming the past 3-4 races, not for 1 or 2 viewers who might stumble across my stream - I don't give two shits if someone is watching my POV of the races live or not, - but for myself, to have the recording available as evidence, as stated in the rules of the Supercup. Reason? My PS4's HDD is currently full and needs some cleaning up, so I can't save the replays there. Streaming is a good alternative and my connection speeds allow me to do that quite easily. Also, I'm not really lagging or teleporting around on anyone's screen, as seen from the videos posted here. I remember that I've always noticed the lag between you and I, JC, even when no-one is streaming. Same goes for some other drivers. It's not getting any worse from anyone streaming, it's always at pretty much the same level, the lag. Less noticeable with some, more noticeable with others. It's just the P2P connection we have in GTA, whether you like it or not. It's not going anywhere. Streamers are not the problem, trust me. I have had enough experience observing this in the game.

 

My POV: https://www.twitch.tv/videos/169388301

 

On 8/22/2017 at 5:14 PM, Jc10110 said:

Proto hit me earlier in the race (3:00) in my video, that could have been lag indeed, let's check his video. He should have waited on my POV, but I didn't feel like reporting, cos I was able to overtake Myth and him a few corners later

Was definitely lag, very visible on my video - I was a good arm's length away from your car when the "contact" happened.

 

 

On 8/22/2017 at 11:26 AM, Jc10110 said:

After seeing the video, I realise that I went wide a few times on the exit of the chicane. Fido also did it and I guess a lot of others as well. In our defence, that happens irl too on that spot :)

 

 

 

On 8/22/2017 at 3:05 PM, Fido_le_muet said:

My POV : 

Qualifying : 

Race : 

I don't really have anything to say of interest for the stewarts. 

I did occasionaly go over the curb here and there. As @Potato said, I went over the curb at the last chicane a few times. Know that it was unintentionnal every time. I was pushing hard to cath you/defend my position from @Jc10110.

You can even see that I let go off the gas when I thought I was too far out. I even let @Jc10110 pass me when it happened. 

@Jc10110 went over the line as well at that spot but like he said, it happens almost every lap IRL so I didn't think much of it. 

The stewarts are law and it is their call if it needs reviewing :)

Really, guys? Are you serious with those excuses? It's like saying "he stole a watch from the store, so I can too." You know going wide gives a boost if you don't slow down yourself and you do it anyway and say "I tried too hard" to get away with it. Watch BRacer's and Potato's videos - cleanest ones you can find in terms of staying within the track limits. Especially noticeable at the end of the final chicane.

It's quite funny how my car slides most of the time I even touch the other side of the kerbs, whereas others can run wide in corners to get boosts and get away with it by saying they pushed it too far and cut corners violently. Every lap for some people and every other lap for others... really? Sorry, not sorry - has anyone even watched @Jc10110's POV. If that's not kerb-boosting, I don't know what is. Blatant corner-cutting and looking for boosts. Almost every corner exit runs wide and every chicane becomes a straight. Pushing too far every lap would end up with you stuck in a tree on a non-GTA race track, so it makes no sense that it rewards you for being careless. @Squirrel Am I the only one who's watched this?

This brings me to the decision, that I won't be participating in the next race and possibly not in any of the remaining races. I can't find enjoyment from these races anymore.

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Crawford1872    1,443

I agree with almost everything you've said (haven't watched JC's footage, don't care enough to so can't comment on that one)  @Protocawl I'm gonna finish the season because I owe that much to Fido. But I won't be driving in the next season either. Would enjoy spectating the races and giving some editor footage though. Possibly commentating using a party chat also. Would be cool to have you join me should that work and you wish to. 

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MAHALOKA    64
11 hours ago, Protocawl said:

... I've only just read the posts from yesterday thoroughly and watched the video from Maha's POV and I want to make things clear once and for all. I'm aware that he has left the Cup and the crew, so I don't know if he'll get to read it or not, but he's probably not mature enough to understand any of this anyway from what I've read and heard from him during these past few weeks and days. Too busy blaming, shaming and crucifying everyone else for everything that's going wrong in his life it seems.

@MAHALOKA Let me show you what you can't see yourself, because you're too occupied blaming everyone else:

I watched your video, it might have been slightly annoying, but in no way does it distract one's racing that much (I've been close to someone, maybe Clydicality, maybe someone else, who also accidentally pressed the horn while cornering, in one of the previous races and it was only mildly annoying, but didn't screw up my concentration that much, more like made me concentrate even harder), unless one can't concentrate on the track in the first place. Also, you are asking him to remove the stock horn from his car? Want him to change the code for the game? I can assure you, all the custom horns in the game are much more annoying and distracting during a race. Perhaps you should stop watching my stream while racing or maybe mute your game sounds/TV/headphones instead and stop bitching.

 

 

Yup, streaming is evil and so are video games, by the way. Don't you know that everyone who plays video games becomes a mass murderer, a psychopath and quite possibly a thief at the very least! All streamers must surely be hackers and criminals, too! Actually, they might even be gods! They make everyone be shit at driving and crash into walls all by themselves and aggressively drive into the rear of other racers' cars several times per race, every race!  :AWE:

Or it might be that you are just too aggressive to stay out of collisions.

Are you also saying that you were watching my stream while racing? If yes, then you really are special. Any serious lag would come from you doing that and any loss of concentration would also come from that.

Here's the brutal truth:

You crashed at the end of lap 3, because your entry and exit of the final chicane were shit that lap, you ran wide and you didn't let off the throttle. In other words: you pushed too hard in the worst place possible. What happened is called understeer. Maybe you've heard of such a phenomenon in racing?

Couple of laps later, I didn't send you spinning - you did. I was moving back onto the track from going a bit wide at the chicane exit and you could see me there, but decided to floor it anyway and hit me in the rear, as you like to do to everyone who's right in front of you. Had that "lagg-spike", as you call it, not happened, you would've successfully P.I.T.-maneuvered me and we would've both been sideways in the middle of the road. What happened could be interpreted as karma. The same thing happened between me and Myth a few laps earlier, me hitting him, coming from the inside, but I slowed down, helped him straighten his car and drove on, because it was the worst place and time to try to let someone pass, with several cars right behind us. He got the position back from me on the last lap, though. Karma again, perhaps.

"Miraculously" I do happen to be close to see your overly-aggressive driving and it's consequences in several races, but it's all you. You just love ramming others in the rear. Maybe that's your thing, I'm not one to judge, but keep it out of racing. You did that when I was "miraculously" NOT near you at Spa, when you rammed Chubb in the rear (you can hear it and see it on your own video, middle of the race somewhere) and Clydicality as well later on (that looked like you raging at his accidental honking - mature). At Hungaroring you clearly braked too late and crashed into the rear bumper of Trashbags, when you should've left a small safety gap between you two in a sharp turn and braked before him to avoid crashing into the back of him. But I guess that was all my fault, too, right? I decide who lives and who dies with my evil Twitch streaming. And how dare I use Twitch, - shame, shame on me! The game has been laggy from the start due to P2P, but I guess that's all because of Twitch.

When Myth crashed into the back of Chubb, it looked like almost a copy of your crash with Trashbags on Hungaroring, only without lag and Myth had the decency to admit his late braking and wait for Chubb. You on the other hand start blaming me and the weather and a disruption in the force for your mistakes - nice.

I don't know how many have watched your entire video, but on the last laps, you were just desperately curb-boosting and making straights out of chicanes to keep your place. You were just aiming so clearly for that boost on the outside of the final chicane for several laps in a row. Not to mention the lap when you made a complete straight out of Eu Rouge and all the corners you went deliberately wide just to get that small boost to escape Clydicality's honking and get closer to those far ahead of you. I hereby also bring this to the Stewards' attention, @Squirrel. (I suggest watching the entire race.)

It's sad, but funny that the one complaining most about everyone else being childish and dirty racers and crucifying them online is the only one who is childish and one of the dirtiest racers you can find if things aren't going his way. I bid you farewell and hope your mind can catch up to your body someday.

 

 

@Jc10110 You also requested a ban on streaming, saying: "I agree that streaming should be banned though. No need to 'challenge' the servers for a small amount of viewers."

For your information, I've been streaming the past 3-4 races, not for 1 or 2 viewers who might stumble across my stream - I don't give two shits if someone is watching my POV of the races live or not, - but for myself, to have the recording available as evidence, as stated in the rules of the Supercup. Reason? My PS4's HDD is currently full and needs some cleaning up, so I can't save the replays there. Streaming is a good alternative and my connection speeds allow me to do that quite easily. Also, I'm not really lagging or teleporting around on anyone's screen, as seen from the videos posted here. I remember that I've always noticed the lag between you and I, JC, even when no-one is streaming. Same goes for some other drivers. It's not getting any worse from anyone streaming, it's always at pretty much the same level, the lag. Less noticeable with some, more noticeable with others. It's just the P2P connection we have in GTA, whether you like it or not. It's not going anywhere. Streamers are not the problem, trust me. I have had enough experience observing this in the game.

 

My POV: (Will be added tomorrow morning)

 

Was definitely lag, very visible on my video - I was a good arm's length away from your car when the "contact" happened.

 

 

 

Really, guys? Are you serious with those excuses? It's like saying "he stole a watch from the store, so I can too." You know going wide gives a boost if you don't slow down yourself and you do it anyway and say "I tried too hard" to get away with it. Watch BRacer's and Potato's videos - cleanest ones you can find in terms of staying within the track limits. Especially noticeable at the end of the final chicane.

It's quite funny how my car slides most of the time I even touch the other side of the kerbs, whereas others can run wide in corners to get boosts and get away with it by saying they pushed it too far and cut corners violently. Every lap for some people and every other lap for others... really? Sorry, not sorry - has anyone even watched @Jc10110's POV. If that's not kerb-boosting, I don't know what is. Blatant corner-cutting and looking for boosts. Almost every corner exit runs wide and every chicane becomes a straight. Pushing too far every lap would end up with you stuck in a tree on a non-GTA race track, so it makes no sense that it rewards you for being careless. @Squirrel Am I the only one who's watched this?

This brings me to the decision, that I won't be participating in the next race and possibly not in any of the remaining races. I can't find enjoyment from these races anymore.

lol, @Protocawlur not even man enough to admit what the whole 'racingcommunity knows since the beginnings of gtao :(

u talk the talk, but u aint walk the walk m8 :( and btw who the f*ck are u to say that it doesnt disturb my concentration?

you were laggy as hell in the last 3races. when u stream u allow ur 'ping' to be prioritized by said company 'twitch' which causes a 'invisible' aura around your pov. u dont see that, other ppl do experience the consequences of it :( do some research on it i would suggest.. since whatever i say is shuffeled in a corner and dismissed anyway by ur selfconsumed attitude :(  (for example in lap3 when my car appeared in the top of ur screen on ur pov, i felt a laggsurge, going into that chicane, causing that crash..) about those last couple of laps of mine, yeah my concentration was all gone, not just because that annoying horn, i even considered ragequitting, it was because most u ppl shit-talking my friend, his track, and being arses of the highest order. (the reason why i left this crew) i hate shittalkers, especially if they do it behind someones back. the creator is a good friend of mine, he spent good money to make the changes u guys requested, and all u have is shittalk. kids and losers downvote. mature ppl give whatever they play a 'like' as 'thanks to the creator' and to avoid looking like a fool who wastes their time by playing something they dont like.

what @Clydicality uses isnt a stockhorn, its a 'glitch' triggering the horn on every corner..another something known widely to cause lagg in the game, because it forces the game to load several different incompatible things through each other, same goes for glitched outfits..

i strongly suggest u do some research for urself..

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Squirrel    4,506

I'm sorry @MAHALOKA I have no idea what you're talking about.

You can detect lagg auras through a game, Are you some sort of force sensitive being like a Jedi? 

As for the horn, it's just from using too much pressure on the left stick while turning, it's been part of the game controller layout since it came out four years ago. It's not a glitch, some people are just more heavy handed than others. The controller layout can be changed but the horn always stays as the L3 button  

This thread is intended for use by people discussing the next race and future races in the series so unless you have anything to contribute towards the race series can you refrain from coming here and abusing those taking part in the championship. 

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Jc10110    167

Wow, so much reading on a boring day at work, thank u guys :')

Will add some literature for the ones who  like popcorn as much as I do :D 

@Protocawl : I don't know anything about networking, but it looks logic to me that if someone streams, there's a higher chance of lag. You say that you always noticed lag between us... Anyone else see me lagging sometimes? I think I am completely "lag-free" as I have had a lot of (very) close battles with others which didn't end up in someone crashing. If you are the only one who has lag-issues with me, I think the problem is your connection, not mine. And that could be solved/minimised by not streaming. Again, I'm not a network engineer, but that seems logic to me. 

You are absolutly right about the "he stole a watch so I can do it too"-theory, but it's extremely difficult to not get tempted if you are batteling for third with someone who's doing it. But as Fido said, it's up to the stewards. Will accept a warning or penalty.

 

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has anyone even watched @Jc10110's POV. If that's not kerb-boosting, I don't know what is. Blatant corner-cutting and looking for boosts. Almost every corner exit runs wide and every chicane becomes a straight

Really? almost every corner? Every chicane becomes a straight?

I often hit the curbs indeed, but in a way that's allowed (on the curbs, two wheels between the white lines, see Page 1 of this thread). If I'm not fast enough on the exit to hit the curb, I won't go for it. Enough examples in my video.

I've cut some corners indeed, but not intentional and I often lost time with it as it messed up my racing line.

 

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